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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 24, 2012 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Help Identifying a Scarlet>Fire

Friends and song-sleuths,

I know these kinds of requests are annoying, but I've stumbled across a pretty terrific Scarlet>Fire that a friend found on a random bit torrent site, but there's no show ID for the version, and well...I just need to know, geek/completist that I am.

Here's what I DO know to help narrow it down:

My instincts tell me it's almost certainly from 1978. It features Donna prominently as soon as the transition jam begins...very nice, actually...no caterwauling, and for the first minute and half of the TJ she scats nicely, with some "na-na-nahs" thrown in that sound almost "Bobby McGee-ish"...but it can't be a '77 b/c once they get into "Fire", Jerry includes the middle verse "Almost aflame/still you don't feel the heat...", and it MUST be one of the earliest appearances of that middle verse, possibly even the first, for all I know.

Also, I should have mentioned that in the "Scarlet" portion, the verse "There aint nothing wrong with the way she moves..." is missing, so they go right from "Once in a while you get shown the light..." into the jam that eventually leads into "Wind in the Willows."

Also: Jerry nails ALL the lyrics in "Fire", a fair rarity, and sings them very distinctly, almost staccato in delivery...belting them out pretty nicely.

There's a little of Bobby playing slide in the first "Fire" jam, but it's not too prominent--nothing like 4/24/78...

That's about all I've got as clues...oh, also the total running time for both tunes comes out to about 18:27

If this rings an automatic bell for anyone, or if anyone feels like they just gotta poke around to help me out here, I surely would appreciate it!

GC

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Feb 24, 2012 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help Identifying a Scarlet>Fire

You might want to try to match the the time length to various shows.... !!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 24, 2012 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help Identifying a Scarlet>Fire

This one?

http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-12-30.sbd.miller.18092.sbeok.shnf

Not the best recording but they do skip the lyrics in Scarlet and as seen in the review by Captain Doubledose, Donna's performance in the S>F is acknowledged as one of her best:

Reviewer: capn doubledose - - August 19, 2005
Subject: Donna's finest Scarlet ever?
I think this may be... Have always cherished this show for good reason - Enjoy this is the shit.

She sounds more like she is crooning than caterwauling to me.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 24, 2012 12:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help Identifying a Scarlet>Fire

YESSSSSS!!!!

Elbow, you're a genius...you nailed it, & thanks for taking the time.

Completely agree with that Cap' Doubledose review as well...this is one of Donna's finer moments.

Nice work, and thanks again!

GC

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Poster: ducats Date: Feb 24, 2012 4:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help Identifying a Scarlet>Fire

what do you think about the review that says Jer's playing wild side at the end of sugaree?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Feb 25, 2012 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help Identifying a Scarlet>Fire

Thanks! I'm torrenting the Fix to the above CM Source now >>

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-12-30.sbd.miller.tetzeli.fix-18092.34261.reflac.flac16

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Poster: Quincy Date: Feb 24, 2012 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help Identifying a Scarlet>Fire

Sure it's not 9/2/78 -- it's got no "ain't nothing wrong" verse, and an "almost ablaze" verse, and some slide by Bobby and the timing's in there too...